catch-up on your comments; welcoming Jan as co-moderator!


Richard Moore

Dear renaissance-network,

I am pleased to announce that Jan Slakov is now a co-moderator of this list.

While I'm in Geneva she will be the only moderator, and after that we'll
collaborate in whatever way seems to be most effective.

I admire her energy, dedication, and sensitivity greatly, and I believe
she'll bring a personal touch to our discussions which, alas, I'm not so
good at myself.

Before going offline, I'd like to share with you some of the messages
people have been sending in...

collaboratively yours,

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:55:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Porteous <•••@••.•••>
To: "Richard K. Moore" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Workshop: all about transport to Bear River

Richard, just one quick note about the above. Please make sure that your
guests, if necessary, request transport to Saint John New Brunswick and
not St. John or St. John's. The last two will deposit them in the province
of Newfoundland.  Honestly, it happens all the time!

>It would porably cost more to fly to St. John, New Brunswick than to
Halifax, but St. John is a 3 hr. ferry ride away from Digby (not the 4 hr.
bus trip).

All the best,

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:25:03 -0700
From: •••@••.••• (Joe Ferguson)
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: Dialog re: the coalition & strategy

> Here, in the Cariboo backwoods we solve the problem by calling everybody by
> their first name, be they bums, or corporate directors, or prime ministers.
> Come to think of it, what's the difference anyway?

Bums have consciences.

From: "Angela Denise Lemos" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Welcome to new listserv, courtesy of ezmlm
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998

....You wrote:
By the way, what would people say to renaming this document "Call to Global
Democracy" or some such, to get rid of the marxist connotations of
"manifesto", which were originally intended as a kind of humor, but which
some may take seriously.

I prefer this new name: "Call to Global Democracy"!

I was wondering about our workshop and I think it could have a theme song:
What do you think about "Imagine", of John Lenon?
As everything I've told you, this is only a suggestion to be discussed

Warm regards.

Date: Wed, 6 May 1998
To: •••@••.••• (Richard K. Moore), •••@••.•••
From: Aaron Koleszar <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Workshop business:

------<snip of personal registration details>--------

>        3) Briefly characterize your assessment of what CADRE is trying
>        to do...

simply put - using a democratic peoples' movement toward ending injustices
and creating a society which puts people and the environment before the
profit of the few.

as some listpeople have already expressed, i have some concern of one person
being the filter for d-r information. i cannot suggest a workable
alternative right now, and it seems to be going alright, so i will suspend
my judgement. but power and structure should be a main concern and topic for
our future planning (before and at the conference).

i have been involved in projects where power and information sharing (or
lack of it) have wreaked havoc.

i am drawn to the corporations and globalization workshop, but i feel that i
might be most useful speaking on fair trade and food security issues. i run
a small business selling ecological and "fair trade" products - organic fair
trade coffee, tea, cocoa, chocolate, etc. etc.

manifesto looks good.

i regret that i have not been able to participate in the preliminary stages
more fully, but i have been so busy, and away from home a lot. i am
extremely appreciative of the dedicated work others have done.

i feel that this "project" may be our best chance (possibly our only chance)
at refoming things before it's too late. let's get'em.



        Prince Edward Island PROPAGANDA JOURNAL
        look at


Dear Aaron,

Thanks very much for your comments, and I hope you don't mind me sharing
with the list the parts that seem of general interest.

By adding Jan as moderator, I hope this "opens up the channel" a bit more.

I do hope everyone appreciates that an "unmoderated" list would simply not
work at all.  For example, I delete about six long messages a day from a
group called "American Patriot Friends Network" -- if these were to go out
to the list you all would have unsubscribed a long time ago!

As regards the issue you raise about "power and information sharing (or
lack of it) have wreaked havoc" -- I'd like to say I couldn't agree more.
That is why I'm such a proponent of the consensus process, both in small
groups, and when groups come together in larger coalition.

It seems to be a law of human nature, that whenever an organization or
society exists, there will be those who endeavor to usurp power and
control, and who are very good at such endeavors.  In ancient Greece, the
experience was that aristocratic societies were often quite stable, but
that those which tried democracy tended to alternate between democracy and

Consensus seems to maximize the ability of "bottom up" democracy to survive.


From: •••@••.•••
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Greetings folks... and go on!

Rio de Janeiro, May 7, 1998.

Dear CADRE's chairperson::

The list is a very intelligent tool and I think that it must be maintained.

I guess that its subscribers are dealing with their daily problems and so
not being able to give to the list the attention needed on a timely basis.

The 1st.  CADRE workshop was set in motion in a hurry and, for depending on
voluntary work, it will not probably reach all its purposes.  When I
realized this it had already passed the non-return point.

Nevertheless, it has been sowing the terrain with the idea of a permanent,
dynamic and growing international non-discriminatory coallition against
neoliberal globalization.  In the 2nd. workshop, with all the acquired
experience, I am sure that things will behave far better.  The process that
has been set in motion is as important as the workshop itself.

I think that postings should not be restricted to workshop arrangements
only, since they may offer good opportunities to get people informed about
some main questions.

As to me, I had already said that I won't go to the workshop, although I am
still trying the fruitless (up to now) search for delegates.  The deadline
that I have established for myself on this is May, 20.   I intend to send
some contribution, a brief article on a related subject, but I can't promise
this since I am overwhelmed under a lot of problems.  So, don't absolutely
count on me ---  sorrow!   :--((

The article that I have in mind would be a brief presentation on the end of
the Roman Empire, which plunged the mediterranean civilization in about a
thousand years of backwardness and barbarism.  Does it seem too oddly?
Well, our present globalization era à la old Rome bears many stressing
analogies with those times, with the streaking difference that it may bring
about the extinction of humankind both for economic and ecological reasons.

in solidarity,

César Roberto    •••@••.•••

1848 / 1998:   Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt euch !

Date: Fri, 8 May 1998
To: •••@••.•••
From: •••@••.••• (John Lowry)
Subject: Re: feedback needed - please respond

Richard, I am unable to attend the workshop as I just moved, an event which
consumed all my discretionary income for the near future.  As I am basically
homebound with spinal arthritis, the move consumed my discretionary energy
as well.  However large or small the gathering, I am sure you will
accomplish much, as there will be many more waiting in the wings, ready to
work on the next phase of production.

Good luck and take care,



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