------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: •••@••.••• (Richard K. Moore) From: •••@••.••• (Dave Morris) Subject: Re: "WHY SOCIAL REVOLUTION IS NECESSARY" Cc: •••@••.••• Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:32:02 +0100 ---<snip of rkm remarks>--- We believe that State power is a major part of the fabric of oppression and exploitation, and always has been, so therefore needs to be boycotted and abolished. Decision-making needs to be reclaimed by people directly in their own communities. This is not a detail, or a tactic, but one of the fundamentals of what is needed if society is going to progress successfully. Otherwise people will continue to be controlled indefinitely by local, national and international State structures, as well as continue to be hoodwinked by politicians seeking or holding power. What the London Greenpeace leaflet seeks to do is to give expression to all the positive social forces in which people empower themselves and in which everyone can take part. It is only by directly empowering ourselves, not looking to any 'leaders' or institutions (whether governmental or capitalistic etc), that we will be able to gain control of our lives and our society. >Why walk if a vehicle can be commandeered? Because 'walking' is natural and is something everyone can do (so to speak), and do together. The means we use to achieve human liberation cannot be separated from the ends we work towards. But thanks again for your thoughts - its this kind of discussion we are hoping to stimulate by distributing our leaflets. Most importantly, this is a discussion which we'd like to see take place amongst the billions of extraordinary people the world over who are always hoping for a better life for themselves, their families and friends, and their communities. Dave, of London Greenpeace London Greenpeace: •••@••.••• McLibel Support Campaign: •••@••.••• ------------------------------------------------- Dear folks, I appreciate your very thoughtful response - you took on board my suggestion, considered it in relation to your analysis, and pointed out a strategic reason why certain tactics appear to be counter-productive ultimately. Allow me to apologize for the sloppy way in which I expressed myself. The vehicle metaphor was all wrong. Let me make a fresh start from another angle. Your program is a good one. I for one give it my full support. Let's say you get a majority of the population to participate in your program, and everywhere wonderful results are visible. Only problem: the government keeps putting up roadblocks, stalling things, being a general nuisance, always out of step with what people obviously want, insisting (with force) to collect taxes and spending them on stupid or harmful things and foreign wars. Then suppose an election is coming along. And suppose some people stand up who are part of your movement and they say "I am putting my name forward for office X and, if elected, I promise to represent in office _exactly what a majority of my constituents say to do, nothing more or less, and I'll stay in touch constantly with the grass roots." My question: would you recommend to the rest of your people to boycott the election? Wouldn't it make sense to allow them to to win all the seats so they could convene once and _officially disband government so it wouldn't be a further impediment? And if they did convene, is there nothing useful they could do prior to disbanding, perhaps to officialy cede control of various resources to specific regions or localities or whatever, to avoid possible future disputes? These _aren't rhetorical questions, I would just like to get a clearer picture of the scenario you are pursuing. Also I'm curious about whether you feel any kind written constitution(s) would be desirable. And finally, is there any bridge strategy if _most nations are on board your program but a rogue or two are waiting to spring if other nations get weak in the military sense? Could you afford to disband your state apparatus "before they do"? I don't want to overemphsize this point, that would be like Cold-War scare-mongering, but it does deserve some thought -- the situation would surely confront you eventually, if you are successful. rkm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Restore democratic sovereignty Create a sane and livable world Bring corporate globalization under control. CITIZENS FOR A DEMOCRATIC RENAISSANCE (CADRE) mailto:•••@••.••• http:http://cyberjournal.org --- To keep join the discussion on bringing about a democratic renaissance, send any message to: •••@••.••• --- To subscribe to the the ppi list, which is a larger list and a more general political discussion, send any message to: •••@••.••• --- To review renaissance-network archives, send any message to: •••@••.•••