============================================================================ From: "g kohler" <•••@••.•••> To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: Thanks & Happy New Year Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:10:14 -0500 Dear Jan Slakov and Richard Moore -- Happy New Year and thanks for your inspiring work throughout the year. It reminds me of a quotation which I read somewhere: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it's the only thing that ever has. Gert Kohler Oakville, Canada ============================================================================ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:59:31 -0500 (EST) To: •••@••.•••, •••@••.••• From: David Lewit <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: cj#1048,rn> re: Korten & REFORM vs REVOLUTION Dear Richard and Jan: I have had similar doubts or confusions in reading Korten, or almost any progressive theorist. I think he figures that the reforms you cite would not be taken away as easily or as completely as you suggest. What needs to be spelled out is the conditions of gaining (or losing) strength by the reform victories, encouraging "the people" to go farther toward revolution. The reform leaders may well be displaced by revolutionaries. How can the movement hold together and continue to grow "despite" reforms or efforts to co-opt? Exactly which types of reform lead to regression, and which to greater prospects of success? People are not always blind to deceptions or disempowered by success. What is needed here is a social psychology of revolutionary development. Aloha-- Dave Lewit ============================================================================ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: XX To: •••@••.••• Subject: RE: rn: events: green "raucus" Hi Jan, You mentioned the book: "The Grip of Death" a while back, and having just read it I would say that those wishing to have sustainable jobs would do well to also read this book and learn about the 'Debt Money' system. Globalization, the need for perpetual growth, and resource depletion are the INEVITABLE result of a 'debt-money' system that all the world save the Channel Islands are operating under. The alternative ( debt free money ) is controlled by the citizens through their government. Money is only meant to be a medium of exchange, yet it has become controlled by Bankers and financiers who 'own' about 97% of the money supply. There is a huge parasitic drag on our world's wealth production that increases yearly, necessitating the feverish pitch of corporate mergers and globalization, and it all comes down to the way money is 'created' in our societies: by Banks, as a debt back to Banks, and Banks never lend out previously existing money. It's time people put on their conceptual economic thinking hats and understand these basic principles because our 'economists' and 'leaders' are sitting idly by with blinkers on. <name and address witheld, thanks> ============================================================================ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:35:33 -0800 To: •••@••.••• From: "Fred V. Cook" <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: cj#1047,rn> David C. Korten: AFTER SEATTLE? Dear CyberJouralists, Richard, et.al., After reading David Korten's notes on democracy vs. corporate power, I am a little puzzled by your apparent lack of appreciation for his position. It sounds to me like a very specific and accurate critique AND a quite radical (structural reform) position. What more are you asking for? ciao for now, Fred ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard K Moore Wexford, Irleand Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance email: •••@••.••• http://cyberjournal.org http://members.xoom.com/centrexnews/ Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead Permission for non-commercial republishing hereby granted - BUT include and observe all restrictions, copyrights, credits, and notices - including this one.