rn- reader comments – re: reform, revolution, etc.


Richard Moore

From: "g kohler" <•••@••.•••>
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Subject: Thanks & Happy New Year
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:10:14 -0500

Dear Jan Slakov and Richard Moore --

Happy New Year and thanks for your inspiring work throughout
the year. It reminds me of a quotation which I read

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed
citizens can change the world, indeed it's the only thing
that ever has.

Gert Kohler
Oakville, Canada

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:59:31 -0500 (EST)
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From: David Lewit <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cj#1048,rn> re: Korten &   REFORM vs REVOLUTION

Dear Richard and Jan:

I have had similar doubts or confusions in reading Korten,
or almost any progressive theorist.  I think he figures that
the reforms you cite would not be taken away as easily or as
completely as you suggest.

What needs to be spelled out is the conditions of gaining
(or losing) strength by the reform victories, encouraging
"the people" to go farther toward revolution.  The reform
leaders may well be displaced by revolutionaries.  How can
the movement hold together and continue to grow "despite"
reforms or efforts to co-opt?  Exactly which types of reform
lead to regression, and which to greater prospects of

People are not always blind to deceptions or disempowered by
success.  What is needed here is a social psychology of
revolutionary development.

Aloha--  Dave Lewit

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:07:40 -0500 (EST)
From: XX
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Subject: RE: rn: events: green "raucus"

Hi Jan,

You mentioned the book: "The Grip of Death" a while back,
and having just read it I would say that those wishing to
have sustainable jobs would do well to also read this book
and learn about the 'Debt Money' system. Globalization, the
need for perpetual growth, and resource depletion are the
INEVITABLE result of a 'debt-money' system that all the
world save the Channel Islands are operating under.  The
alternative ( debt free money ) is controlled by the
citizens through their government.  Money is only meant to
be a medium of exchange, yet it has become controlled by
Bankers and financiers who 'own' about 97% of the money

There is a huge parasitic drag on our world's wealth
production that increases yearly, necessitating the feverish
pitch of corporate mergers and globalization, and it all
comes down to the way money is 'created' in our societies:
by Banks, as a debt back to Banks, and Banks never lend out
previously existing money.  It's time people put on their
conceptual economic thinking hats and understand these basic
principles because our 'economists' and 'leaders' are
sitting idly by with blinkers on.

<name and address witheld, thanks>

Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:35:33 -0800
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From: "Fred V. Cook" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cj#1047,rn> David C. Korten: AFTER SEATTLE?

Dear CyberJouralists, Richard, et.al.,

After reading David Korten's notes on democracy vs.
corporate power, I am a little puzzled by your apparent lack
of appreciation for his position.  It sounds to me like a
very specific and accurate critique AND a quite radical
(structural reform) position.  What more are you asking for?
ciao for now,


Richard K Moore
Wexford, Irleand
Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance
email: •••@••.•••

                Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
                committed citizens can change the world,
                indeed it's the only thing that ever has.
                        - Margaret Mead

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