Paul, thank you for these crisp and pertinent insights! all the best, Jan ******************************************************************** From: Paul Isaacs <•••@••.•••> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:25:54 -0500 Subject: Re: rn: Znet: Right/Wrong reasons for opposing China's entry into WTO On 29-Feb-00, Jan Slakov wrote: { snip } >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:49:44 -0800 >From: CyberBrook <•••@••.•••> >Subject: Opposing China's Entry into the WTO >The Right and Wrong Reasons for >Opposing China's Entry into the WTO >by Robin Hahnel >www.zmag.org (the very useful ZNet Site) { snip } >The Administration has argued that while partly true, the behavior of the >Chinese government is improving, and a policy of "engagement" is >more likely to advance the cause of democracy and human rights >in China than a hostile policy of trying to isolate China from the >civilized world community. Say what? "The civilized world community"? Is this a slip of the tongue or an outright statement that China is not "civilized"? Is this an inadvertent example of just how deeply propaganda affects our mental processes? Paul Isaacs ************************************************************* From: Paul Isaacs <•••@••.•••> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 02:06:46 -0500 Subject: Re: rn- re: film "Missing", China & WTO, death penalty rally & vigil On 29-Feb-00, Jan Slakov wrote: { snip } >**************************************************** >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:07:32 -0500 >From: chatski carl <•••@••.•••> >To: •••@••.••• >Subject: Re: rn: Znet: Right/Wrong reasons for opposing China's entry into > WTO >Even this last post on the subject is not clear enough. >The WTO is a frank transfer of power from governments ( good or bad ) to >corporations. This is the real definition of fascism .. A sham government >and real power in the hands of corporations. >'Liberal' capitalism is not stable, it will either evolve to >socialism(The radical elimination of class,market,wage slavery,etc.) >OR, it will evolve to fascism. >WE DO NOT WANT CHINA OR ANY!! GOVERNMENT TO CEDE ITS POWER TO THE >CORPORATIONS. Is that clear enough. >- Carl It is my suspicion that any "economy" that contains "interest" payments has to expand exponentially to remain stable. The mathematical definition of exponential is that in any given period of time the amount of the quantity in question increases in proportion to the amount of the quantity already possessed. That is also exactly the definition of interest bearing "investments". If the "economy" does not grow exponentially in order to provide the cash for interest payments, the money comes directly from the people who are indebted. The consequence is a rapid runaway in which those few who were marginally more wealthy quickly become vastly more wealthy at the expense of everyone else. The result is a mathematically determined rapid social collapse no matter what form of economy or government is in place. Globalization is the last desperate gasp of an economic empire in its final days. We have, in my view, ceded our power to compound interest and the resources of the planet are simply no longer enough to shield us from the consequences. Paul Isaacs