============================================================================ From: "Brian Hill" <•••@••.•••> To: Tracy K Subject: Re: Fw: Next round EU-China WTO accession talks: date set(Ref:4CLCX8) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:16:51 -0700 Bcc: •••@••.••• Tracy; It seems to me that the abortion issue is a real grass roots issue. We need to settle it amongst ourselves. It might take a while, just like it does for communities to understand what their forests need to be healthy, but once the reality - not the propaganda - of abortions is clearly dealt with by all concerned (grass roots) conensus will emerge. There still may be separate camps, but each should respect the other. BE Smith, for example, dropped out of the system because he found out some of his tax money was being used for abortions. I have helped women abort with herbs and with abortion clinics in Mexio. BE and I are partners and respect each other's differences. We can work closely together even though we understand abortion differently. I'm willing to bet that we'd be right in the middle of the grass roots abortion discussion. As long as we don't let a corrupt hierarchy into the picture, I am confident the grass roots left and the grass roots right can work as closely as BE and I. I think both BE and I look forward to the day when we can calmly sit down - maybe in the backcountry on Mary Blaine - and talk about abortion for a long time, but with him in prison for standing up for 215 and us committed to shutting down the two party conventions, lets agree to respect these differences and unite to do what we gotta do and can do only with the strength of unity. Hopefully there can be a few of us on Mary Blaine for a few days to talk about this stuff, and we'll have time to relax. At the UN CSD meetings there was a brilliant panel hosted by Third World Network director Martin Khor (the number one Third World Economist/activist in my opinion) an incredibly intelligent women physicist and a lot of other things told us that physics has begun to realize that nature is based on reciprocal relationships not competitive ones, so the old survival of the fittest bullshit is finally out the window. Einstein resolved the contradiction between time and matter by showing how it is all energy, and Capra has coined the term paradigm shift instead of using the well understood anthropological term, world view. He has also noted, most recently, that the RELATIONSHIPS of matter to each other is more important than the matter itself in his current book, and now the latest physics is telling us that harmony and reciprocity is where its at. This means we will, somewhere down the line, adopt a reciprocal, rather than, competitive world view. How long it takes will depend on the intensity of social change. Those who became psychodelically literate during and following the 60s already have a start on this process. And the revitalization of tribal cultures is another manifestation of this most recent pendulum swing. But most of all Seattle, DC and RNC/DNC could catalyze the quantum cultural leap into existentialism. I'll try to get a copy of the talk. So, Tracy, if you say something divisive, now, in order to be in the flow of things, you must also say something reciprocal in order to maintain the new balance. Que te duermes con las angelitas, Brian -----Original Message----- From: Tracy K To: Brian Hill <•••@••.•••> Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 13:00 Subject: Re: Fw: Next round EU-China WTO accession talks i'm with you almost all the way. but i must admit i'm very nervous about abortions become illegal once again in this country. tk ============================================================================ Richard K Moore Wexford, Ireland Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance email: •••@••.••• CDR website: http://cyberjournal.org cyberjournal archive: http://members.xoom.com/centrexnews/ book in progress: http://cyberjournal.org/cdr/gri.html A community will evolve only when the people control their means of communication. -- Frantz Fanon Capitalism is not the same as free enterprise - it is a very specialized ideology which holds the accumulation of wealth as the only economic value, and which demands that such economics dominate all other societal values. -- rkm Permission for non-commercial republishing hereby granted - BUT include and observe all restrictions, copyrights, credits, and notices - including this one. ============================================================================ .