Friends, Dave Korten was kind enough to respond to some of my comments. I hope he won't mind if I share his main points, and the response I sent back... 7/9/2000, David C. Korten wrote: While [traditionals] share some basic values with the Cultural Creatives, they tend to be substantially less committed on environmental issues. While I don't see specific results on this in Ray's report, I would guess they are also less interested in social and economic justice. Most particularly, they seek a return to traditional gender roles and have conservative religious views, which I believe means they place their faith in external sources of spiritual authority. They are more interested in returning to an idealized past than in creating a new future. ...While there are disaffected among the modernists who might well jump at a real alternative once they see there is an option other than traditionalism. The core of the modernists, however, are not simply going with the flow. They have turned greed into a virtue and are deeply dedicated to consumerism, materialism. They are most of the powerholders of the capitalist system... Dear David, I agree more or less with your characterization above. What you've done is to outline some of the barriers which must be overcome if we are to achieve the kind of civil society you have described. For completeness, let's include some of the barriers due to cultural creatives... (rkm:) While some cultural creatives are beginning to think in terms of a movement-of-the-whole, many others are locked into some particular 'cause', such as feminism or environmentalism, which they believe is the 'one issue' that must be addressed before all others. Most of these causes have been long-since coopted, and considerable energy is wasted in competition among them. Many other cultural creatives are locked into the 'lesser of two evils' mentality, and limit their political activism to voting against conservative political candidates. They resist anything more radical, because they think that would play into the hands of the conservative 'enemy'. This little off-the-cuff characterization may lack the depth of your own, above, but I'm sure you will agree that cultural creatives, like the others, have beliefs and habits-of-thought that are just as much barriers to change as those of the traditionals and modernists. As a matter of fact, I suspect your books may represent, in part, your own efforts to expand the awareness of cultural creatives. --- This is how things are now. This is our starting place. This is what we have to work with. So once again I raise my question: What is our strategy? How do we get from here to there? How do we get from a hierarchical Capitalist Society, whose population is divided by competing ideologies, to a culture-based Civil Society such as you have described? If everyone goes on thinking and behaving as they do now, there will be no change. In order for change to be possible, large numbers of people will need to begin thinking differently. And for radical change to be possible -- for capitalism to be replaced -- I suggest that thinking must change throughout the population, across all categories. Each of us has different things to learn, and the lessons we need will not all come from cultural creatives. All sides have something to contribute. I suggest what we need is more dialog across ideological divides, and I think the experience of the Seattle and DC protests testified to that fact. Labor and environmental activists found common cause, gained respect for one another, and began to build a spirit of broader solidarity. Traditionals remained traditionals, and cultural creatives remained cultural creatives -- they did not need to change their stripes in order to work together. What they learned is that their common interests transcend their ideological differences. We need to learn that we are not each other's enemies, but each other's potential allies. It is not traditionals, nor modernists, nor cultural creatives who as a class are setting global policy -- it is a wealthy elite as represented by their various agencies, institutions, corporations, and beholden politicians -- as shown in your diagram. We are all being equally victimized and it is in all of our interests -- even as we each retain our basic values -- to collaborate in changing the system. in solidarity, rkm ============================================================================ Richard K Moore Wexford, Ireland Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance email: •••@••.••• CDR website: http://cyberjournal.org cyberjournal archive: http://members.xoom.com/centrexnews/ book in progress: http://cyberjournal.org/cdr/gri.html A community will evolve only when the people control their means of communication. -- Frantz Fanon Permission for non-commercial republishing hereby granted - BUT include and observe all restrictions, copyrights, credits, and notices - including this one. ============================================================================ .