-------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert R. Holt Subject: Re: dialog re: Harmonization Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:02:37 -0400 To: •••@••.••• Dear Richard, I want to take up the issue about which we have disagreed before: your quixotic position that since all our problems are interconnected and deeply rooted (I agree so far), there is no point in doing anything except trying to bring about the most fundamental reorganization of society. Happily, you seem to see eye to eye with good folks like Tom Atlee and Rosa Zubizarossa that there is a lot we can do on the most local levels by way of building social capital or starting processes of reharmonization. I'm all for that too. It's just that I find it astonishing that you don't view getting rid of Bush as the highest priority for Americans in the next few months. Of course it won't accomplish fundamental change; of course Kerry is deeply enmeshed with the corporate powers that be. Nevertheless, I and many thoughtful people I am in touch with feel that we are on the brink of outright fascism, that we will be lucky if the neocons allow the election to proceed as usual and take the risk that GWB will be voted out of office. If we take the Nader line that there is no basic difference between the Democrats and the Republicans and ignore that danger, we may well find ourselves in a stifling climate where any dissent is persecuted and our freedom to generate radical ideas about transformation is gone. There is a lot that can and must be done to salvage what real democracy we have left, and to elect an imperfect president who at least will give us some breathing space to work on the more fundamental issues. ---------- Dear Robert, I hope Bush loses and I'm thankful energy is going into that cause. And there are many other worthwhile efforts going on, lives being saved, etc. But I feel my particular mission is to look at things from a longer range perspective. We all have our roles to play. From my perspective, the world looks like a village that is being gradually demolished by the bulldozer of economic growth. Perhaps Kerry would drive the bulldozer a bit slower than Bush, and that would be a good thing. But I personally can't get excited about any project that isn't aimed at dismantling the bulldozer altogether. Unless we do that, the village will be destroyed sooner or later. best regards, rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:39:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: X To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: a message / appeal from rkm Dear Richard, If there ever was a person who deserves to be supported by a community, it is you. I am so thankful for your earnest seeking and eloquent, focused expressions of that process. I will do what I can, count on it. Wish I could make a specific ongoing pledge - maybe after our slow summer season is over. And know that you are not asking for charity and don't be embarrased about it - this is reciprocity and kinship which of course is the basis of the next economic order we are all working for. Congratulations for creating a scenario where you can be free of corporate grunt work, and that allows you to express your important gifts. (Ireland will also get a good return on its investment, no doubt.) Your collaborative model for writing is definitely an inspiration to me as well! Again, many thanks and keep up the great work. -------------- Dear X, Many thanks for your support and encouragement, and the same to the many others who responded similarly to the appeal. I'll be able to get by for the time being and the encouragement is very welcome. cheers, rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Hill" To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: The Israeli spy case... Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:40:29 -0700 Organization: Institute for Cultural Ecology Richard one of the symptoms of a disintegrating empire is that corrupt ruling classes compete against each other - collapse is imminent. Brian --------- Dear Brian, How imminent? Do you anticipate any particular scenario of collapse? rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Brook" Subject: Re: 9/11: The definitive investigation? To: •••@••.••• Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:01:17 -0700 If he really has concrete evidence, as he says, I wish he would post something to the web and to the intl media. Obviously, we can't just take his word for it; he has to produce the evidence. ----------- Dear Dan, Being a court case, I suppose there are reasons not to lay out the detailed case in advance in the media. Given the person's credentials, I think we can give some credence to his claim that he does have evidence to back up the points of his case. Besides, I've posted lots of evidence from other sources that supports much of what he says. But let me respond at a more general level to your concern. In a world full of propaganda, writers with agendas, and disinformation, how do we find out what's really going on? Do we restrict our attention to totally reliable sources who always present all their evidence, and then do we only believe that if we independently verify all the evidence? Such a strategy might help one avoid believing false things, but it also prevents one from gaining insights about a lot of true things. I believe that if one has a goal of maximizing understanding, one needs a more mixed research strategy, a more nuanced approach to assessing credibility. all the best, rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:11:18 -0400 To: •••@••.••• From: Don Chisholm Subject: Re: GLOBAL TRANSFORMATION: Harmonization and global transformation Hi Richard. I've been watching/lurking the development of your book with interest, and general agreement with the presentation. At this subject chapter, your ideas are very much like my own, a couple of years ago when I wrote a presentation called Social Networks Influencing Governance (SNIG). I wrote it near the end of my time as Canadian Coordinator for John Bunzl's Simultaneous Policy Organization, in hope that ISPO might take a lead roll in helping to coordinate a Stakeholder Organization as a means of linking the thousands of disparate social movements in the world into a coherent voice for social change. However, John B rejected the idea when he came to the point where, if successful, ISPO would loose control of the Policy Procedures to the voice of the greater group. Oh well, can't win em all!! SNIG has sat idle since then, but I plan to take out the ISPO references and groom the text somewhat. It appears to me that the potential for cooperative social change development within SNIG, could be a logical addendum, or a window of possibility, as an appendix? to your chapter, or of some use. I put it back on my web so you can have a look: http://www.magma.ca/~donchism/SNIGWEB/case-snig-a.htm Yours in cooperative efforts, Don Chisholm Crew member on the Titanic --------------------- Dear Don, Thanks for your contribution. I also received a reply from one of the organizers of the Michigan conference. He is now thinking of a two-thread approach, one being communities and the other being networking among activist organizations. Tom Atlee is now thinking along similar lines as well. I'll try to incorporate something about the two threads in the final draft. It feels like perhaps we may be seeing some convergence in our collective thinking . regards, rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ... Is there anybody out there? ... From: •••@••.••• (Reinhard Spilker-Vester) To: <•••@••.•••> Date: 24 Sep 2004 20:32 GMT Dear Richard, I find it encouraging and comforting to listen to your voice and to your humanistic reason in these tortuous times. Be assured that your messages and your quest for solutions are not lost. I am just one of many people (I am convinced) who have not sufficient time to come up with helpful comment. But I take this opportunity to say Thank You for your loving global companionship! Reinhard --------- Reinhard, Thanks for the encouragement! best regards, rkm -- ============================================================ If you find this material useful, you might want to check out our website (http://cyberjournal.org) or try out our low-traffic, moderated email list by sending a message to: •••@••.••• You are encouraged to forward any material from the lists or the website, provided it is for non-commercial use and you include the source and this disclaimer. 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