-------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert E. Reynolds" <•••@••.•••> To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Welcome to the Fourth Reich Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:21:55 -0500 Great commentary. Most people don't realize that from the very beginning the Bush administration has maintained that anything they assert they can do to non-citizens they can do to citizens as well. Hamdi and Padilla are proof of this as well as the US Citizen being held in Saudi Arabia at the request of the US. They defanged the court decision on Hamdi and avoided a decision on Padilla when the Supreme Court said the suit should have been filed in South Carolina not in New York. The irony there is that the government first moved Padilla to NY, then when a Federal Judge acted, moved him to South Carolina to a Naval prision to avoid judicial review. Thus our Supreme Court endorsed the administrations "contempt" of the judicial process while avoiding making a decision on his "enemy combatant" status. People also overlook that when the administration loses a case or has it remanded they come back with the same arguments of the right to torture, the right of the president to unlimited war time powers, and the right to hold indefinitely. As you note the Patriot Acts and Clinton's Anti-terrorism Act allow any attack against economic interests to be considered an act of terrorism. Thus any environmental protest, and picketing or demonstration, or any call for a boycott of a company could be cited as having an unfavorable economic impact on the nation and thus one that is an act of terrorism or in support of the terrorists. Bush never gives in on his basic demands. He has resubmitted the 25 judges that were not approved by the Senate and he has used interim appointments to say "in your face" , I'm the boss. He acts as a dictator and with legal assertions that as a president at war he has unlimited powers that can not be reviewed. That it is a rhetorical war like the "war on drugs" matters not at all. bob reynolds, orange park, fl -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:11 EST Subject: Re: Welcome to the Fourth Reich To: •••@••.••• What do you call "Indian Reservations" but the same? -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:38:42 -0800 From: Janet McFarland <•••@••.•••> To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: Welcome to the Fourth Reich Hi Richard, We saw it here in Oakland 1 1/2 years ago at the protest at the docks of APL (?) where the police chased picketers down the streets, firing on them, for several hours after they started firing their wooden bullets at people. I saw the people's bruises on their backs and attended the council meeting which was disrupted by demands that the issue be discussed. I tried to talk to a police officer, very gently, to get him to admit they had gone too far, firing on Oakland's citizens. He just smiled a nasty little smile and rolled his eyes with another officer. It was already policy. Jerry Brown authorized it. There were going to be some civil suits but I've never heard any outcome. There was going to be an investigation of the police tactics. I've never heard any outcome. We don't have organizations that can force follow through. Most everybody is pretty involved just getting by. Things are definitely going to get worse for quite a while. We gotta hold each other's hands tight and create grassroots connections, such as you've been describing. Love, janet -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:21:56 EST Subject: Re: a URL for the Vialls article... To: •••@••.••• not sure on this one. there were lots of aftershocks, and according to Australian sources, two weeks later thereafter effects on the earth itself are still happening. people tend to overestimate atomic bomb capacity and vastly underestimate earth quake energies. But given that caveat I'm open to any evil that happens are part of the Bush agenda. cheers jim -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:10:46 EST Subject: Re: Robert Scheer: Does Al Qaeda exist? To: •••@••.••• > Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman? Hi. Interestingly enough, various people have written about this very thing for awhile now. And now an ex CIA staffer is saying don't catch Bin Laden for fear of big terror backlash- sounds like spin to me. MLPolak -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:24:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Thom Hartmann: First They Came for the Terrorists... To: •••@••.••• From: Myan Baker <•••@••.•••> Thanks for this excellent article. I'll pass it on & call Boxer and Feinstein. I wonder when people will connect the dots and realize that America is running many, many African-American concentration camps and has been doing so for years. The abominations practiced in concentration camps on foreign soil are common practice in the US. Talk to the folks in poor black neighborhoods about the experiences of their family members. I don't have the data at my fingertips and I'm busy today, but the statistics on African-American incarceration rates and sentencing patterns are just the tip of the racist iceberg whose visible tip masquerades as our "criminal justice" system. Privatized prisons are a big mistake. Racism is too. Peace, Myan -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:26:47 -0800 From: Philip Feeley <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Thom Hartmann: First They Came for the Terrorists... To: •••@••.••• X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Thanks for this. I think people have protested places like Guantanamo Bay ever since they started using it in this war. It has all been to no avail. Perhaps there's not enough of us or not enough in the right places. Why, for instance, has only one Supreme Court justice been saying what is obvious? They can't be removed for dissenting, so perhaps the rest agree with the president. This just means that despite there being millions of us who protest there just aren't enough in the right places. What will it take? ~P ------------ Dear Philip, It will take something other than protest. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Private_MindSpace <•••@••.•••> Reply-To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: Davidson Loehr: "Living Under Fascism" - a sermon To: •••@••.••• Hi CJ: I want to thank you for sending me (generally-speaking and most recently) such great essays to read and to keep for future use! Katie -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:43:29 EST Subject: Re: Crossing the Rubicon: the case against Dick Cheney re/911 To: •••@••.••• I have been studying this for over two years. The SMOKING GUN is in the results of the SEC World wide investigation of pre 9/11 insider trading. To your knowledge has anyone filed a freedom of information request for this report? ------------------- don't know - rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:44:54 EST Subject: Re: Crossing the Rubicon: the case against Dick Cheney re/911 To: •••@••.••• Dear Richard, This is the most ill I have felt since viewing the B.B.C.'s 5 hour documentary of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." What on earth can ordinary people do against such tyranny? I am shell shocked again. Diana --------- Diana, They can find their identity as We the People. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:30:36 -0500 (EST) From: Sumner M Rosen <•••@••.•••> Sender: •••@••.••• To: •••@••.••• cc: •••@••.•••, •••@••.••• Subject: Re: Crossing the Rubicon: the case against Dick Cheney re/911 Nothing more important then knowing whether this holds water; if it does we can end this regime, if not we face dangers I cannot match in my life except under shelling by German artillery in WWII, and the 1962 missile crisis. smr ---------- Sumner, It certainly holds water. He presented only a small bit of the overwhelming evidence. So, how do we end the regime? rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:28:52 -0800 From: Darreld Rayner <•••@••.•••> Subject: RE: Crossing the Rubicon: the case against Dick Cheney re/911 To: •••@••.••• Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I'm not much into this shit, but it does make sense to me... Whether it be Dick Cheny, or Joe blow, or Peter Pan. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is, it was all about oil. A home made Pearl Harbour. Let it happen, 9/11 that is, in turn this gave the US and excuse to raid Iraq.. (For the second time).. The old man, Bush, couldn't do it, so junior is giving it a shot.. I call it unfinished business within the Bush family.. Iraq is a county rich with oil.. Everybody knows this. They are also easy prey. No defence. Of course no weapons of mass destruction either. They couldn't find any before the raid, and still haven't found any.. "The proof is in the pudding." Now it's the, "Get Bin Laden" game.. "He's a threat to the free world" Free world?? Apparently I live in this free world they talk of. I call it "Free for the taking".Our resources that is. In our area, Lake Cowichan, it used to be free.. Since the multinationals have taken over our freedom is limited.. They punch in roads, by forest land (or the gov. gives it to them), and put up signs. "No trespassing, or else!!" It's like the locals are being held hostage. Something like Iraq, only in a different way.. In Iraq they us bombs, in our area it's money. In the end it's all about exploitation, and control.. "The American way, or the highway." At this time the American multinationals are looking at our coast. (British Columbia) "Off Shore oil"... Apparently our coast is rich with oil. The Fed. gov. has said drilling won't happen, for 89% of the people are against it.. Yet exploration is allowed.. "OHOH!!" What's that tell you.. Another bottom line.. "They want our oil!!!" and they will get it. Now the process begins. Exclusivity meetings, payoffs, secret deals and the list goes on. In a democratic society if you ask and don't receive, you sneak in through the back door. Using bureaucrats to the hilt. If that don't work you just take it. Like they did in Iraq. Ever hear of our fish farms?? Off our BC coast??? Apparently, I was told from a very reliable source,(This person also said she would deny even telling me this, for personal reasons) that fish farms aren't about the fish farms themselves, but about oil exploration off our coasts. Apparently oil companies are heavily invested in these farms.. Hmmmmm. You add it up. A front, with a back door. If you know what I mean.. The democratic, American, way.. Soooooooooooooooo, in ending.. The Americans are thirsty for oil.. In Iraq they blow the hell out of them .. In Canada they use money, for money is power. Either way it's the same bottom line. Take care... oh!! One more thing.. North Korea has weapons of mass destruction. Yet Bush won't even go there. Why??? North Korea says, Ya!! We have em!!! "Bring it on." -- ============================================================ If you find this material useful, you might want to check out our website (http://cyberjournal.org) or try out our low-traffic, moderated email list by sending a message to: •••@••.••• You are encouraged to forward any material from the lists or the website, provided it is for non-commercial use and you include the source and this disclaimer. Richard Moore (rkm) Wexford, Ireland "Escaping The Matrix - Global Transformation: WHY WE NEED IT, AND HOW WE CAN ACHIEVE IT ", somewhat current draft: http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/rkmGlblTrans.html _____________________________ "...the Patriot Act followed 9-11 as smoothly as the suspension of the Weimar constitution followed the Reichstag fire." - Srdja Trifkovic There is not a problem with the system. The system is the problem. 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