Hi folks, Sorcha Faal's article may have been a hoax. I've seen nothing on any news sites, including Russian, that mention any mobilization. I had a feeling it was too good to be true! Sorcha, if that's what his or her name is, has a website (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/). It has interesting stuff, worthwhile stuff, but always the details get pushed a bit, exaggerated a bit. I had the impression that rense.com had a bit of integrity, and that's why I went with the story. It may even turn out to be true - such actions are more than warranted and appropriate - but so far it seems unlikely. Below are some of the comments people sent in. At the very end is a more accurate assessment of the increasing cooperation between Russia and China. yours, rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:23:47 -0400 From: Paul Wolf <> Subject: Re: * Flash * China & Russia mobilize divisions to surround U.S. bases Richard, note that of these articles, the first is unsourced, unless the source is rense.com. Will need to get some verification of this - if true, then it's very scary. I was just listening to c-span the other day, and all these Washington "experts" were talking about how the Chinese are out to get us, viewing everything they do, including investing in US treasury bonds, to be a conspiracy against the US. So the right wing is promoting anti-China propaganda now. Of course, the SCO is a threat to the US in the region and is meant to be, but deploying forces to surround US military bases? I will see what I can dig up. -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:37:23 -0700 From: Lynette <> Subject: Re: * Flash * China & Russia mobilize divisions to surround U.S. bases There are those who regard this person as an agent of misinformation, yet in reading her postings, I have found her to be accurate in some things. One should probably use discrimination in reading her articles. So whether she is an agent of misinformation or disinformation, she certainly writes things of interest. -------------------------------------------------------- From: "Westaway" <•••@••.•••> Subject: China, Russia Issue Joint Statement on New World Order Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:56:34 -0700 http://infowars.com/articles/nwo/china_russia_joint_nwo_statement.htm China, Russia issue joint statement on new world order Xinhua | July 15, 2005 China and Russia here Friday issued a joint statement on a new world order in the 21st century, setting forth their common stand on major international issues, such as UN reforms, globalization, North-South cooperation, and world economy and trade. The statement was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin and visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao after their talks. During their talks, the two leaders discussed ways to further enhance the strategic and cooperative partnership between China and Russia, and exchanged views on major regional and international issues. The joint statement said the two countries are determined to strengthen their strategic coordination in international affairs and promote peace, stability and prosperity of the world. UN REFORMS The joint statement says that UN reforms should be aimed at strengthening the world body's leading role in international affairs, improving its efficiency and increasing its potential for dealing with new challenges and threats. UN reforms should be based on consensus through consultations, and should fully embody the common interests of the vast number of member countries. The United Nations is the world's most comprehensive, representative and authoritative organization, and both its role and function are irreplaceable, said the joint statement on a new world order in the 21st century. The United Nations should play a leading role in global affairs and be the core for establishing and executing basic norms of international law, the statement added. The statement calls for UN peacekeeping operations to be carried out in accordance with the tenets and principles of the UN charter. Resolutions of the UN Security Council must be strictly abided by. Cooperation between the UN on the one hand and regional and subregional organizations on the other should be developed, according to the joint statement. The joint statement also calls on the world body to play a bigger role in the study of global economic and development problems. MULTILATERALISM The joint statement says that countries must be allowed to decide autonomously on their internal affairs while international issues should be solved through dialogue and consultations on the basis of multilateralism. The international community should completely renounce the mentality of confrontation and alliance; there should be no pursuit of monopoly or domination of world affairs; and countries of the world should not be divided into a leading camp and a subordinate camp, said the joint statement. Every country must be assured of the right to choose its own path of development that fits its national realities, the right to participate in international affairs as an equal, and the right to development on an equal footing, it says. Differences and disputes must be solved through peaceful means rather than through unilateralism or coercion. There should be no use or threatened use of force, says the joint statement. Only on the basis of universally recognized tenents and norms of international law, and under an impartial and rational world order, can problems facing mankind be solved, says the document. All countries should strictly observe the principles of mutual respect for each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence, it says. The joint statement believes that the world is undergoing a historic change. The establishment of a new world order will be a long and complicated process, it says. The central task of mankind in the 21st century is to safeguard peace, stability and security for the whole mankind, and to realize full-scale coordinated development on the basis of equality, maintenance of sovereignty, mutual respect, mutual benefit and ensurance of good development prospects for future generations. Hu arrived here on Thursday for a state visit. He will also visit Kazakhstan and Britain, where he will attend the G8 plus five summit. NEW SECURITY FRAMEWORK The joint statement calls on the international community to establish a new security framework on the basis of mutual trust, mutual benefit, equality and cooperation. The framework should have the universally recognized norms of international relations as its political foundation, and mutually beneficial cooperation and common prosperity as its economic foundation, says the joint statement. The establishment of this framework should be based on the equal security rights of all nations while dialogue, consultation and negotiation on an equal footing should be the means for settling conflicts and maintaining peace, the joint statement says. China and Russia support efforts to maintain global strategic stability, and the multilateral process of establishing legal systems on arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation, it says. The two sides will work together to put the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty into effect as soon as possible and to push for the universality and effectiveness of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (INT), the Biological Weapons Convention and the Convention on the Banning of Chemical Weapons ( CWC). They also call for the peaceful use of outer space, and voice opposition to weapons deployment and arm races in outer space. They push for relevant international legislation to this end. The two leaders believe that in face of new threats and challenges, further effective measures should be taken to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) as well as their carriers and relevant materials, according to the joint statement. The joint statement says the two sides have decided to cooperate more closely in related international organizations and forums and expand cooperation with other like-minded countries. The issue of proliferation of WMDs should be resolved through political, diplomatic and international cooperation within the framework of international law, says the joint statement. The two sides think that a UN-led global system should be set up to deal with new threats and challenges on the basis of the UN Charter and international law, it says. The joint statement says regional integration is an important character in the development of the current international situation. Open, non-exclusive regional organizations are playing a positive role in shaping a new world order. The two countries appeal for the promotion of further economic cooperation in regional integration and for the establishment of security cooperation mechanisms. They also voice support for regional organizations to set up ties with each other and produce an atmosphere of mutual trust and cooperation, the joint statement says. ATTENTION TO GAP OF DISPARITY All countries should have an equal opportunity to enjoy the profits of globalization in such fields as economy, society, science, technology, information and culture, said the joint statement, calling for mutually beneficial cooperation and common development. Developed countries and developing ones should make efforts to eliminate discrimination in economic relations, and narrow the gap of disparity between the rich and the poor, says the joint statement. The international community should formulate a comprehensive economic and trade regime acceptable to all, through negotiation on an equal footing. Pressure and sanctions should not be used to force a country into unilaterally making economic concessions, it says. It also calls for respect for the history and traditions of those countries with diverse ethnic groups and their efforts to maintain national unity. Attempts to encourage secession or incite ethnic hatred within a country should not be accepted. Diversity in cultures and civilizations should not be the source of conflict, but rather resources from which all countries can learn. Different historic backgrounds, cultures, social and political systems, values and modes of development should not be used as pretext for interference in other countries' internal affairs, says the document. The Chinese president arrived in Moscow Thursday for a state visit, the first leg of his three-nation tour, which will also take him to Kazakhstan and the United Kingdom. In Kazakhstan, he will attend a Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit. Then he will fly to Scotland for an informal meeting between leaders of the Group of Eight industrialized countries and five developing nations -- China, India, Brazil, South Africa and Mexico.