rn> re: the Nader campaign & Green politics


Richard Moore

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:01:09 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: cj#1145> Ronnie Dugger: 17 Very Good Reasons for Nader
To: "Richard K. Moore" <•••@••.•••>

Thanks to whomever it is that is sending this to me.
David C., Richard Moore, Ron Dugger??? (Please

There is not anything (or very little) in the paper
which I disagree with.  The criticism of corporate
domination is very accurate

My main concern is that if the Greens want to create
social change then create it! Don't waste time and
resources running unwinnable national campaigns.

Nader never would have accepted the nomination if he
thought there was a chance that he would win and have
to serve.  And yet the Greens are transforming from
within into Naderites ready to annoint him savior and
make him the Party's eternal candidate.

Nader also has so many people annoyed for accepting
GWB advertising contributions and essentially getting
GWB elected (or almost) that he has made the Greens
the laughing stock of American politics.  If the
Greens are  planning to continually run in national
politics before ever having won statewide seats then
at the very least they need to demonstrate their
broad-based support and diversity by nominating
someone else.

I just don't think it makes sense to risk burning out
the fomenting political activism with defeatest
politics.  Why not use that energy to develop local
councils and transform progressive rhetoric into
positive examples?


Phil Ferraro
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Dear Phil,

Ron Dugger wrote the piece, Brian Hill forwarded it to me, I
posted it, and some unknown person then forwarded the
posting to you.  The headers tell the story.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'local councils', but I'm all
in favor of local self-determination, bioregional focus, and
bottom-up democracy.  How to achieve those things - or any
significant change in the current entrenched system - is the
burning question of the day. To answer that question we need
a political movement.

I can't share your concern about 'burning out' activist
energy.  This new anti-capitalist movement is in a growth
phase, not a burnout phase.  We need multiple initiatives
and not all will succeed.  Those which succeed will attract
more followers.  A bit of darwinian movement evolution won't
do us any harm.

Before Seattle, most Americans didn't even think of
globalization, or the WTO, as being debatable issues.  Most
of them hadn't even heard of the WTO, and globalization was
simply the name for a phase of history.  Getting these words
into people's vocabularies as political issues was one of
the main positive outcomes of Seattle.  I think the Nader
campaign contributed further toward putting globalization,
and even capitalism, forward as issues that need to be
examined rather than accepted as inevitable facts of life. 
This is a strategically valuable outcome.

Yes, some Nader supporters are probably hooked into the
third-party scheme in an unrealistic way - that was probably
necessary in order to put their full energy into the
campaign.  And those will go through a period of depression
and burnout.  But they'll recover, get back on their feet,
and move on to the next phase with some of their illusions
left behind.  Nader's next challenge will be to find a way
to encourage his supporters to embark on new and useful
intitiatives, building on their current momentum.

As for the Green Party itself, my own view is that third
parties are, strategically, a serious waste of time.  They
only buy into the game of competitive party politics, and
that game itself is counter-democratic.  By its very nature,
such competition leads to power-brokering and eventually to
domination by elites.  The system was designed the way it is
for that very purpose.  (See Fresia's, "Toward an American
Revolution", http://cyberjournal.org/cj/fresia/ )

We need to transend the party system by creating a
civil-society movement which includes its own democratic
mechanisms and which makes elections irrelevant.  Perhaps
your 'citizens council' notion reflects thinking along these


Richard K Moore
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