Friends, In our previous posting, I theorized that a power struggle is going on at the highest levels of the US establishment. I was led into that investigation by the unusualness of the torture photo publication, and the rapid sequence of developments that followed. As I reviewed current news items, the case for a power struggle seemed to be rather strong. Well, it turns out my theory was right on target! Frequently people respond to such theories by saying, "If something like that were true, we'd hear about it--somehow it would get out." In this case that is exactly what has happened. After I sent out that posting, I opened a package that had been sent to me, and in it was an interview that blew my mind. This is very solid stuff. I looked it up on the web and pulled down a transcript: ____________________________________________ http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html PRISON PLANET.com Copyright © 2002-2003 Alex Jones All rights reserved. Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations The Alex Jones Show ____________________________________________ Many might dismiss Alex Jones as a typical conspiracy researcher and publicizer, although I would give him high marks for credibility. But Col. de Grand-Pre's credentials are beyond reproach. I've combined here a few of his biographical remarks: ____________________________________________ DGP: I'll give you a quick bio. I entered the military in 1944 as an 18-year-old radio operator, morse code. And I was sent to Burma and China. I was attached to the detachment 101 which was OSS and I operated out of Burma. Then later on in Kunming, China. ...I went to work then for Sec. Def. Bob McNamara. He hired me as the chief arms negotiator for the Middle East. And we conducted our business there. We were known as the super salesmen in ISA, International Security Affairs. And over a ten-year period, we sold over a hundred billion dollars worth of military equipment to all comers. ... I'm in personal contact at least on a weekly basis with the Joint Chiefs and other select people. ____________________________________________ One might wonder why is allowed to say the things he does, but one cannot doubt his knowledge of what he talks about. This guy is tapped right into the 'little circle' I hypothesized. He is a reliable official source, in all but name. You might say he is a "deep throat" who is willing to talk directly to the people. You will be amazed at his revelations. If you accept him as a knowledgeable insider, you might still question his mission. Could he be putting out intentionally false leads? Could he be part of a disinformation campaign? Is he having a joke at the expense of the conspiracy-theory community? I don't think so, for two reasons. First, because of the evidence I presented in the previous posting, I think what he says makes a lot of sense. Second, there is a directness and honesty which comes through the way he expresses himself. Judge for yourself... The first part of the interview focuses on 9/11. His first revelation is that hijackers were not controlling the attack planes. In these excerpts, I've pulled together different parts of the interview and combined those that relate to the same theme. You can see the whole transcript at the URL above. ____________________________________________ DGP: ...on 11 September, actually it was 12 September, I wrote to my friend Gen. Hugh Shelton, who was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at that time. ... I called together from 16 to 19 September, in the Pentagon area, not in the Pentagon, a group of military, civilian and general aviation pilots. And for three days, we kicked around what actually happened on 11 September. ... the group of pilots and they will remain anonymous were a wonderful mix of commercial, military and civilian pilots. At any rate, after three days, the decisions were unanimous. And I wrote my 24-page report up and submitted it to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. ...the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the September 11th tragedy had no control over their aircraft.... These planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand. ... The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs had 500 copies of this 24-page report made and sent out, including, to the White House. And I have to say it was including Pres. Bush. So they got a copy of the report. ... AJ: And so, he sent out 500 copies, that would mean that he believed it. DGP: I'm quite sure that he believed in it. I think that he still believes in it. You can understand the difficulties. The civilian administration, of course, won't recognize it as such. ...you see there's a definite cleavage between the military of the Pentagon and the civilian hierarchy--and never the twain shall meet. ____________________________________________ He also tells us exactly what happened to the plane that went down in Pennsylvania: ____________________________________________ DGP: ...It was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93. ... the aircraft, you see, had totally unconscious people on board. There were no hijackers. At 9:35, the Happy Hooligans, the Air Guard flying the F-16s were ordered to take that plane out. And they took it out from 9:35 to 10:00. ...AJ: Well, yeah, you've got Cheney running around, we've got the stand down taking place. DGP: Well, this is correct, but you see the Adj. General of the State of North Dakota gave the command to take it out. And, by God, they took it out. AJ: Colonel, how did you get in touch with the pilot who shot the plane down? DGP: It turned out to be an old friend of mine from the Air National Guard and this is my home state of North Dakota. And I attended the ceremony in North Dakota and watched...the pilot being decorated a year later for this activity that happened on 911 with Flight 93. ____________________________________________ He says a lot more about 9/11, but I want to move on to our main topic, the imminent military coup: ____________________________________________ John (caller): ... I want to make a comment. I was in the Air Force. My career field was radar operations and I was assigned to the Air Defense Command. The airliners turned around at Erie, Pennsylvania and were off-course for approximately one-hour, at the wrong altitude, at the wrong speed, without radio contact and it is absolutely insane for anybody to believe that could have happened unless people were told to stand down. DGP: Well, what I was trying to get through here, John has done a beautiful job of laying it all out here on 911. What I want to carry away is that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself has agreed, there were no hijackers. There were no cell phone calls. Everybody aboard that aircraft, pilots and crew, were unconscious within 8 to 18 minutes after take-off. And you can take it from there. AJ: I understand but going back to what the caller said, your saying these elements in the military when push came to shove are going to stand up. Well, I would say that 911 was the globalists pushing. So, where's the shove? That's his question. DGP: Well this will come. It's going to be in the form of a counter-coup d'etat. You understand that a coup d'etat was pulled on September 11th by the civilian hierarchy. AJ: ..there was an article right after 'that you talk about' in mid-2002 in the Washington Times saying the morale in the Pentagon had never been lower. And you would think it would be high right after 911 and getting together to fight the enemy. But it said that the officers didn't believe in the "mission" or in the intelligence. DGP: That is correct. That came out of the Washington Times and I can verify that from Col. Dick Schultz, who is a friend of mine in the Joint Chiefs. Morale was not only low but he said some of the troops are ready to mutiny. If it wasn't for the fact that the government, the civilian hierarchy, has control over retirements, they would probably be blood in the streets by now. AJ: There was also an article where they panicked in the Washington Times, it was also in the Washington Post, they panicked and flew the officers on jets to luxury vacations and had these focus groups. It even talked about a possible mutiny. People were just totally distraught. What would make them become distraught overnight in the Pentagon? DGP: It wasn't an overnight thing. You see, as I outline in book 1, and I carry that on in book 2, as well as book 3, we were on the verge of a military coup d'etat. And this was long in the planning and even after the 78 days of bombing Kosovo, it became critical. And we were close to a coup d'etat at that time. In my survey of the reports and the pilots who worked with that, a coup was a possibility. In fact, a coup d'etat was pulled on the morning of September 11th. Only it was an administrative or what we call a cold coup d'etat. AJ: Or reverse coup d'etat. DGP: Yes, in fact.... AJ: A counter revolutionary junta. DGP: Well that is correct. And as we delved into that, we found that the culprits, including Rumsfeld, were part of a neocon group that had been planning this thing for literally years prior to September 11th. AJ: Now, by a coup d'etat, you mean another intensification of a reverse coup d'etat to keep the people from fighting against the New World Order or do you mean the type that Bill Clinton successfully stopped in his administration? DGP: Well, I'm talking about the administrative coup d'etat that came off September 11th. AJ: You're talking about an intensification of the elite in a coup d'etat against America. DGP: That is correct. AJ: Well, I mean, it's ongoing. They are federalizing everything, they are militarizing everything, they're engaging in the classic takeover, are they not? DGP: Yes, [they] are. And from this, Alex, and I bring this out very clearly in book 3, the only way we can stop it is with the classic counter-coup d'etat where the military steps in. And under the aegis of the military itself, disengaging or disemboweling the civilian hierarchy and taking over and re-running or re-organizing the federal government. ...DGP: Well, I'm in personal contact at least on a weekly basis with the Joint Chiefs and other select people. My computation is that 70% of us are with us. That's the higher ranking military, field grade officers, etc. and even the first three grades of the enlisted ' 70% are with us. ...AJ: ...but going back to what the caller said, your saying these elements in the military when push came to shove are going to stand up. Well, I would say that 911 was the globalists pushing. So, where's the shove? That's his question. DGP: Well this will come. It's going to be in the form of a counter-coup d'tat. You understand that a coup d'tat was pulled on September 11th by the civilian hierarchy. ... Cheney is closest to the action. He was probably most involved in all of the details of September 11th and he'll be one of the first to fall. So I predict, I predict that Cheney will be out of here inside of, well prior to the election. ...these guys can only understand one ingredient and that is force. And that's why it has to emanate from the military. And military force in the persona of military tribunals will takeover. And Cheney, as I reiterate, is toast. ...There will be a lot more people either resigning or retiring. And yet it's going to come out and there will be military tribunals. ____________________________________________ DGP seems to be saying that military tribunals are specifically on the agenda of the coup plotters. This seems to imply that the coup will be overt. That is to say, an all-channel TV announcement will be made that the civilian administration has been guilty of criminal acts, and a care-taker military team is explicitly taking over. I imagine they'll be able to put together a good presentation of their case to the public. Someone who was present during the stand-down could dramatically tell how all the military people were screaming to scramble, and how Cheney refused to let them. Someone from the Joint Chiefs, who is well spoken, could talk about the disgust in the Pentagon about the torture policy, and how the nation deserves to get to the bottom of these crimes. He could describe how their mission is to restore honest government, not to set up a military regime. I imagine the public generally would feel a sense of relief that people with at least half a brain in charge for a change. In light of what DGP has said, I believe we can interpret the torture photos as the coup's opening salvo--aimed directly at public opinion. After that ranging shot, a barrage was fired for effect--a string of other damning revelations--demolishing the fortress walls of the White House's public image. With the image softened up, the Senate Brigade was able to grab the investigatory high ground--and proclaim a 'get to the bottom' doctrine which shall not bow to White House wishes. Altogether, the coup is proceeding blitzkrieg style. With ready access to high-level leaks and informants, the Senate Brigade will be able carry out a devastating initial assault on the neocons. For any lies they tell in the hearings, there will be reliable witnesses who can contradict their testimony. They'll look like fools and villains--America's Stupidist Criminals. For once, the right people will be demonized in the media. I wonder what will bring about the transition, from the Senate Brigade's preliminary assault to the final attack by the heavier forces--the military tribunals? I suppose it will be one of two things. First, it could come about by stonewalling from the White House. The coup announcement could be justified by the fact that the White House was preventing the pursuit of Constitutional process. Second, it could come about because the hearings make it obvious that control of the nation cannot be left any longer in the dangerous hands of such insane war criminals In the media sequence, the coup will seem to be the result of the Senate hearings. But we will know better. Big things never follow in rapid succession by accident. The wild card in the scenario is the neocon's possible counter moves. Already they're carrying out regular drills for a 9/11 repeat. Their chances of pulling off another successful event are somewhat reduced, however, given the current climate in the Pentagon and CIA. The neocons will have a harder time smuggling in foreign operatives, and there won't be any stand downs of defenses. Nonetheless, with compact biological weapons and many other WMD choices, the neocons might pull it off again. But if they do, it will backfire. 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